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Hello, Julia. Hello. How are you? Hey, I'm fine. You? Not too bad. That doesn't work. Yeah, I don't see the image. I don't know what's going on with my camera. I see a blurry circle. Yeah, that's bizarre. I don't know what it's about. I can see my head, so I'm not sure. I mean, it was closed for a bit, so I can see if I close it, but then I open it and nothing happens. Okay, well, never mind. Okay, well, we can go for that. I think this is the best that I can do right now. I might have to deal with my laptop. No worries, no worries. Well, I'm glad we can connect. And actually, I saw that you booked the meeting, I think, yesterday, right? I did, yeah. Yes, and I think you have access to the next platform. right because you've been able to book the meeting i do i did do a few classes in the meantime um interesting yeah but i just kind of wanted to connect maybe so that i can uh you know be guided in the right direction so yes yes sure well well maybe to to to start off uh well well maybe i can tell quickly something about myself so you know who who i am who are you talking to and then we will quickly move to you because you are the for sure the center of attention here for today uh yeah so my name is jean sebastien i'm actually uh talking to you from montreal right now i understand you're you're in uh winnipeg is that yes so uh yeah i'm from montreal and um so i'm working with right management as a career coach i'm in life in general i'm uh i'm a coach more of an executive coach i'm working with organization uh with executives from organization uh to to help them with having more clarity with their objectives and what they want to accomplish with their organization. But I'm also working with right management as a career coach, career management coach. So my purpose really here is to be of service to you. So it's really, you know, there's this website, you went through the next website, there's a lot of material. Yeah, you said it could be confusing, because there's so many stuff out there. So many videos you can watch, you know uh so my goal really here today with you is to be of service to you so what what you find can be uh the most useful uh with the time that we have and to explore with you what you want to explore so it's really you know the direction that we've received from right management is with this part of the program because there's so many things we can do with with the program but this part of the coaching part is really to have this space so that we can have discussions it could be about for sure about the career about your your work what where you want to be heading but also from anything that's on your mind that that you think uh has an impact on on on the path that you want to lay forward so uh so it's really to use this time for what what you can uh make the most use of what so and and if at any time you know there's anything that you want to address in the way that we're doing things together in our relationship the way i'm saying things uh like i said it's really your time so i really invite you to uh if you have any comment uh to to make them so i can adjust whatever i'm doing with you so it can be again the most useful to be the most useful for you uh it's good for you yeah yeah great so that was a little part for me but now talking more about you so yeah can you tell me about uh how first how are you showing up today in this meeting you you said that uh yeah it could be better maybe at the beginning of the meeting but tell me more about how yeah how are you going today and what's what's on your mind today well it's a bizarre situation that i never thought that i would be in um i'll be honest there I never thought that I would be let go from the company that I was progressing fairly rapidly in. And I was considered, well, a high performer. You know, my performance review were of high performance. You know, I was feedback from my leadership was that, you know, I was moving the needle. I was exactly that, you know, who they wanted. it um i became a manager from a well on a third year of working within the company from the ground up so i just uh graduated uh from uh one of the programs uh uh here locally in winnipeg and i started working there and an order desk as a customer care uh representative and i uh moved into quality control department within the same organization within the same um company i worked there for a bit i came back as a logistics coordinator and managed a team of six people within a year i was a logistics manager responsible for like 80 people um then a year after i was an operations manager and i worked uh in that role for four years until i was uh well felt like randomly let go considering that i've never had any kind of feedback or or anything so i'm confused and i've been confused for a good month now ever since it happened because uh well i used to think uh you know i'd never be in this position because who's gonna work then and it's i mean maybe that's not a concern i don't know or maybe i was doing something that i was not supposed to but then that's news to me as well so yeah i'm confused and a little bit hurt but you know realistically i just want to let go of the situation and um you know find a company where i would be appreciated in um so just somewhere where i can where i can grow um uh um i mean i wasn't just known to be a high performer i think i am i mean i was uh at some point in my life i kind of uh decided that work is going to be it and um i always put that first whether that's right or not i mean now it feels like it was wrong um but uh i mean i genuinely enjoyed my job for the longest time and everything that i that i was doing um i'm fairly an intense person i guess and i have high expectation of myself and and others uh maybe that rubbed some people uh the wrong way perhaps but then again it's like it would be nice to um receive that as a feedback and be able to work on that which i was never given as an opportunity all i was given was a package and uh right management as a resource so here yeah yeah well i'm i'm sorry first of all for for what you're going through and and all the uh yeah the rocky emotions it can bring and i hear from what you're saying this there's a part also of of yeah of not understanding the why yeah and look I wish I knew and then maybe I could move on from it you know what I mean but I don't so it's like well what is it exactly you know I know that's in the last year like because I'm high on the accountability and for the longest time we didn't have a manager in place at all so I put some structure in place and you know and a lot of people didn't like it it's I was working for Amrise formerly Lafarge so that's a concrete supplier and I mean statistically speaking you know a lot of the people they don't show up to work they treat the job as it's well nothing that I've ever seen and normally you know like you'd be let go but for whatever reason you know here it's because I guess it's a unionized work environment it's like it's not three steps it's 33 steps um and uh um you know and everything turns immediately into um well this is harassment even though that's a documented uh you know multiple step process of addressing the issue uh from you know code so it's never really punitive um in the beginning so it's all from coaching you know more coaching more coaching okay well you're not listening you know verbal you know multiple verbal multiple reasons you know some um like i people that i have terminated which is interesting because i was the only one who was uh following through i mean the only times that they would be uh terminating within that company would be um post incident uh um drug or alcohol related uh stuff with people denying help essentially and that's how would they be like let go and and that's that whereas you know here we uh with my help i guess we started uh uh dealing with uh um you know terminating for just cause and not paying anything and so just you know like kind of fostering the accountability and long story short i mean because of the pushback i was investigated five times within a year and a half on various levels so i'm thinking is that it but then like well those investigations didn't lead to anything because that's ridiculous and you know i'm the one who lost like yeah and i mean and i get it i was in the position of terminating a lot of people so you're just not supposed to tell why because it opens you up to liability and at the end of the day it just turns into you know like you just don't agree with that because it's you know your side to someone else's so i get it but at the same time like gosh you know wouldn't would be nice to know yeah yeah and some sometimes people know they've been told sometimes we don't know and and it's interesting from what you're saying is that you you understand this part because you've been also on the other side which is a pretty rare position you know 100 people so like i i've done it and i've seen it and you know and i've been on the side that you just uh part ways because that's not the right person but you know like they post the job and it has exactly the same job description as it was looking for on paper it looks like the same thing which was me for four years uh me who they you know said was like oh she'll be a gm uh at some point And, you know, we're so lucky to have you until, you know, you're, you know, sorry to see you today and we'll have to part ways because this is not working. Okay, great. Yeah. So, and yeah, the sad part in that is that not knowing and maybe you, maybe you will know at some point, maybe you will never know. Right. That's a bad part of that. What is, how we can use that now going forward also is, because at some point we have what we call, you know, we need to come with a parting story also. What makes it that you're at this point in your life that you're looking for some job? And we have resources for that also. How to, because that question will come at some point. People will say, well, why are you looking for a job now? And so how to come up with something that will, without telling stories, without lying, but to show yourself favorably, you know, in a really positive way, even without knowing the true reason. so yeah sometimes we can use those reasons to learn as a growing edge but you know when we're not giving much reason then it's much more like what what can I do going moving forward you know and how to to to create that story if I need to create it in a way that that makes me show as the the most positive way possible um so so talking about looking forward um julia what what at this point i understand it it's a really challenging part and like you said you know you've been doing well working well taking on responsibilities uh taking on as i understand tricky challenging also you know things to do with this employer and doing them well as i understand um that's what they told me yeah well well that's really good because because at some point uh it's it these are assets these are things that you know that you're being recognized for and these are our strengths for you so this is really i'll be honest like it took me a good month to schedule this because i was not even ready to talk about it with like emotional you know and you start applying for jobs and then you start crying on someone you know just because like it's yeah like i i always put that place first yeah and there's a grieving also uh process with that and and and um and this is a safe space julia for this i appreciate it sorry about that still emotional and and i understand that and and this is a space to live that because a lot of people that i'm working with some people have other people they can share that with some people they don't have much people they can't share that because it's a really personal experience right what you're going through right now um and and if i can be that person to be with you along this way uh well that this this is what i can provide to you to have this space and if it and like if it could only be that that could be already big but we'll do much more than that for sure but i just want to assure you that that well first of all everything you're sharing with me is for sure confidential as you can expect but also uh to allow yourself to to show the emotions you want to show uh it's it's it's welcomed while we're together so um yeah yeah and and wanting to honor this that we're discussing that space that we're creating here what would you think at this point is is it can can be useful for you it's hard to tell because uh you know not knowing what was the issue was i just not fit for the role that i was in was that the problem was it just uh you know i maybe it was as simple as i completed my job for you know setting some strict boundaries and rules in place and maybe it's for someone else to take over uh now with a softer touch uh like i don't know you know what i mean like it's just uh um yeah um it's uh like it's hard to tell uh the thing is you know i like my professional uh career was within a ready mix department of a large corporation so you know my first week i cleaned up my linkedin i mean i'll take a class just to be sure that everything that i had done is uh uh you know of value i cleaned up my resume i reached out to some recruiters uh so that they can maybe have an eye for me i took a class on uh networking which has carved for me because you know despite me managing you know people i'm not necessarily the people person in the sense that i have a hard time asking for for help and uh it's just it feels awkward and forced and i don't really want to put someone in in that position um but i might have to learn how to do that and in a different way i guess if i'm trying to be uh successful um but i i don't know and i mean at the same time there's this panic that is setting in that i need a job and it's like well will i get a job that is you know like do i have to take a step down do i have to take several steps down like i don't i don't know and that's where like i'm at you know like there's really not that many jobs right now currently that are available that are um relatable to me you know something that i have done certain things i don't mind trying but then it's like well doesn't mean that i have to take like a fifty thousand dollar pay cut you know and start from scratch because it's completely new so yeah like i'm i don't know what's reasonable what's not and and i guess that's why i wanted to connect with you and and see what do you see in in the industry and like what what's going on yeah and i heard also at the beginning of our conversation we're talking about everything that you were bringing you know to this to your previous employer and and there was something what i heard that you know if another employer could also see that value but maybe appreciate that even more you know and and value you for for what you can truly bring and when you said oh maybe they want they wanted someone with a softer touch maybe or well well maybe we don't know maybe that's the case and sometimes you know it's it's it's a cruel world out there right you know corporations especially big corporations they will use you for whatever they want to use you and then they can move on to something else the loyalty is not necessarily the key thing for a lot of corporations but what I hear and what you shared was if I can find some organization, an employer that will actually value this what I can bring and honor this on a long term that's definitely something I think is a subject not to interrupt you but like a year ago they said that i'm so valuable that i want to let me go and if i feel like you know the job is too much they will put me they will find another job for me except you know a year after they didn't even try and i was like really like there you know we have different divisions you know and there was no room for me anywhere else oh we looked at but didn't we didn't have anything like i just like i i struggle to to believe that considering that uh you know we've had people who were underperforming and they were uh like put on the performance improvement plan and and you know they bounced around in four different and i mean and i get it in the sense that you know like i'm a upper middle class manager that it's hard to find a comparable job that it would not be considered as a functional demotion um but you know at the same time wouldn't it be nice for them to be like well maybe this is something that you want to do or take the package and then at least i would feel that okay well you know they did try whereas it just feels like at this point for whatever reason they just decided to to part ways and that was that you know yeah and then you know like the hr is crying you know which because then i'm crying and it's like okay well now what yeah yeah yeah and sometimes it's decisions that come from you know upper somewhere you know that they don't this is yeah we don't know we don't know and that's that's the unfortunate part of it the fortunate part is that you have an opportunity in front of you uh there's a possibility of like you said should i accept a lower pay you said like 50 000 more uh there's an opportunity to improve your situation also uh there's something you look at one direction there's this other direction and if there's something we can agree maybe together you will get today is that our aim will be to improve right i hope so that's that's if we can agree on something and i don't have this crystal ball i don't know if there will be something better but if we aim there i mean that's the objective right so if we do everything we can to aim there uh so that we reach there uh if in the end we end up having something lower uh i mean we'll see if this is something acceptable but but if we put everything in place and you said you've worked and you've done a lot of work you said i've taken classes i think i went to look at my resume, my LinkedIn profile. I looked at your LinkedIn profile and you see it's clean. It's clean, it's professional. And you said you're open to work. You said, you know, it shows that there's someone who wants to work, who wants to contribute and someone who is professional in her field. So I think so far you've done a lot of positive way. And for me, it's encouraging because it shows that you're a candidate that is eager to get somewhere, you know, to leverage the situation and to get to a point where you possibly can get, you know, an improvement and use this as a really an opportunity for you. I hope so. I mean, I'm open to moving, not overly ideal, but, you know, for the right opportunity, why not? Like I said, I mean, at the end of the day, a lot of people are saying well just relax you know you have a few months to figure like that's not what i'm looking for because that's i find it as a stressor you know like i would like to uh uh i don't really want to have a gap in my uh resume you know uh for for no apparent reason i would like to start learning a new job and and you know because i'm kind of like hyper fixated on uncertainty like i enjoy it so i enjoy learning new things but right now like i just like i'm lost and i don't like that feeling yeah yeah and when you said that you learned and you went to take courses were there were they courses outside of of right management resources you're talking about resources from right i'm taking project management right now so i would like to get that while i have some time uh um maybe that will uh make me slightly more employable i don't know it's a little it's it's somewhat different from what i used to do um it's maybe project management on a smaller scale or like a specific thing because i was responsible for the day-to-day operation and strategic planning and you know pnl like something that was specific to the industry that i was in that's why i would like to transition into certain things like maybe construction and that's like i have construction management degree and you know like i have education and i think i could learn all of those things but then again you look at certain jobs and they're looking for someone who has 10 years 15 years and in something that i don't so that's why i was thinking well if i just have like the pmp behind my name maybe that will give me a little something and when you said you're taking this project management course what what what kind of course is that is it is it what what an online course uh it's an online course yeah it's self-paced uh I just I'm pretty much done with because because you have the 35 hour requirement to take before then part of this course, you do your quizzes and then you are eligible to write a test. I would like to get that done and, you know, sit down and do all of the project that I have completed. Like right now, I mean, I am used to working 12, 14 hour days all day, every day. uh just trying to improve certain things so i mean it was hard for me to i didn't focus on me i focused on the company and the things that i felt like were needed for the company um every so often you know when i would from like vacations that i would do that you know bring my laptop with me attend the meetings you know on the plane i'd be doing you know checking payrolls so like i have a hard time off letting go and and i guess maybe that's you know like not not a good thing i used to think it was a good thing but maybe that's uh puts it all in perspective this whole experience let me tell you well i mean maybe it's time now julia that it's time to focus on you yeah and i mean that's uh that that'd be nice because i enjoy learning things and that's why i was like you know what i just because i don't want to feel like a failure already feels like it uh and and i mean maybe i'm not maybe i still have there's always that a bit of like imposter syndrome you know uh uh going on because i always felt like well am i ready to apply for this job am i am i this am i that and then i i work with people who have no hesitation you know and and like not a single doubt in their mind whether that's uh something that they're projecting or maybe that's truly how they feel i don't know but it's always uh like it's hard for me to project that kind of confidence as well and that's that's why i'm afraid that it's going to be hard for me to find a job also because i'm you know will i be able to sell myself especially when they really know nothing about me you know and i have um no track record within the company to show them that i've done this this and this not you know like i think this is the time for me to promote it yeah well you know these are all really legitimate questions you're asking yourself you'll get this one so so yeah you're in the right place um for for these questions and over the course of the next weeks because we're almost at the time for today but uh for i can explain to you a little bit more what we're going to be doing in the next week what i would uh suggest is if we get to a pace for the coming few weeks at once a week if it's possible for you that we can talk then later on we can move to every second week you know if we don't need to talk to every week but for the first weeks i think it's good you know to get to know each other but also to progress on a few things some of the things that you will already have done some work on so that that's really awesome that's really great you talked about the resume you talked about the linkedin page we have at right management people that are really specialized on survey on resumes and linkedin so it's not we can discuss it but we have people that can review that comment that and then we can together look at their comments uh we'll be able to work also on a branding statement so that covers both the story of the parting story what what happened but not not taking too much time on this but especially what who are you right now and what are you looking for the ideally because that's what we're aiming for and and also talking about your key strengths and accomplishments we're going to spend some time on this and then looking at yeah the strategy what kind of of career of work you want to do where do you look for this and even talk about if you get uh interviews we can even prepare interviews together and and even practice if you want uh do mock interviews so that when you get to an interview you you feel really at the top of your game that's that's really what we're aiming for if that makes sense yeah i guess yeah so so maybe we can even uh do you want to to book an appointment right away for next week uh sure what one would be i have a lot of openings so it could really more be about you know what what would work more for you can we do monday is that too soon yeah no it could be it could be monday it's just that i have some homework for you i don't know if it's possible over the weekend but you've already have you already have access to the next platform you probably i don't know if you've seen there's a video like the getting started video uh there's i could in an email send you a few links also but there are a few about this branding statement about you know it's all things sorry i took a class on branding on the platform oh on the platform okay okay that's something i wanted to verify okay great so uh well then if if you're already done you've already done that uh then yeah sure right away on on monday we can we can work and start i i feel like that there's eagerness there so i'm like i like it so uh so yeah so monday what would work best for you so it would be on the 24 25th um do you have something in early afternoon or morning even uh yes now you're in winnipeg right what time is it right now in winnipeg uh two o'clock okay so we just have one hour different so yeah uh pretty much any time that you um what time we work good for you um my 10 o'clock is that okay 11 for you i guess yeah sure i'm gonna it's it's really up to you i have all the time in the world these days great well you know sometimes people that they have other occupations and things stuff happening but okay so i have uh booked you here at 11 so uh so yeah so we can talk uh on monday and before we part there's another thing i need to touch with you is that uh i don't know if you're going to be receiving that today but we you might be receiving surveys after our calls so i just wanted to to raise that because they will ask you uh how how you feel about our our discussions and it's really more about our relationship it's not about the website about the whole other thing and then it's on the scale of one to ten uh and they expect us to have a ten so if we have anything less than ten uh we might be in trouble so if you ever get that please uh and if at any time in our conversation if there's anything that feels that makes you feel that you would give me less than a ten i would just invite you to tell me so that i make sure that i i'd be up to your standards and make sure that i i fully uh satisfy one thing that you learn about me i'm fairly direct person so uh yeah and you know what i prefer that for me you know what people say this is what i like this is i don't like i respect that a lot and and you know quite frankly i'm i'm here to be of service to you make the most the best use of our time but your time also so so really be be direct uh that's what i would invite you to so that yeah like if you if you feel like you know providing feedback to me direct is the way to go as well i'd appreciate it and i don't hold a grudge by any means because i'd rather improve because that's what i'm here for you know yeah exactly cool cool awesome well it was really nice uh well first how do you feel about our call today julia i feel good so i think uh um now that i know what we will be doing on monday uh like i said i have a bit of a draft of everything so uh i'll just put it all on on paper and maybe we can discuss it then uh on monday awesome great awesome well it was nice touching base with you julia and we'll talk on monday then awesome sounds good

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